Incoming anti-dog rant

"You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much" (youcantellafinn) 05/01/2015 at 09:15 • Filed to: None

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My neighbors rottweiler almost came through my car window this morning. I feel the need to vent, for everyone else have some car pronz.

My neighbor was walking his fucking rottweiler this morning. He happened to be right across from my driveway as I was pulling out. As I turned out of the driveway his fucking asshole dog leaped at my drivers side window and almost pulled him over. There is no fucking need for rottweilers and every one of them needs to die. That dog will maul someone and if it is the Finnlet I will kill that fucking dog right in front of the guy. Even in the relative protection of my car that dog was a threat to me. If I had been bringing my garbage out and the fucking asshole dog leaped at me like that I would have pulled a gun on it and shot the fucking piece of shit asshole dog right in front of the guy. I shouldn’t have to worry about my kid getting mauled in my own yard by some fucking piece of shit asshole dog who only exists to maul people. There is no fucking need for rottweilers or pitbulls or any other vicious dog and they all need to get fucking shot.

Nibby > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:18

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pip bip - choose Corrour > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:22

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bait it with poisoned meat , at night.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:22

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Im1bCKoQs8

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/01/2015 at 09:26

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Too indiscriminate. This guy lives a way down the road and my neighbors right across the road have a dog. A normal dog that I only see a few times a week and I don’t have to worry about it trying to kill me.

pip bip - choose Corrour > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:27

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if you see it whilst driving , run it over?

TheBaron2112 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:28

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No such thing as a bad dog. Just bad owners. Some dogs have different temperaments, but they can be managed with proper ownership. Which it sounds like your neighbor sucks at.

The dog shouldn’t be shot any more than your car should be crushed because you don’t wash it every week.

yamahog > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:31

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As the owner of an absolutely sweet, loyal, well-behaved rott mix that is afraid of the goddamn dishwasher and most certainly does not exist solely to maul people,

/dogpuns

But for real, fuck that owner. If you let any dog (especially a large, potentially intimidating one) run wild without proper training, you only have yourself to blame when it gets put down for attacking someone.

Cash Rewards > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:32

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That’s the owners fault, not the dogs fault. Train your damn dog,especially if it’s large. My 95lb lab mix is just as likely to maul you in the wrong circumstance. It sucks, but misconceptions about certain breeds and consequences of large dogs in general place a larger responsibility on owners

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > TheBaron2112 05/01/2015 at 09:33

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Pit Bulls I can see this for. Treated right they are dead loyal and not inclined to be vicious. Rottweilers can all go chew a bomb, I've never encountered one who didn't seem inclined to view me as a chew toy. One damb nearly managed it, too.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > TheBaron2112 05/01/2015 at 09:34

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I’ve had bad experiences with dogs. They are unpredictable and will bite. There are bad dogs and some of them need to be dispatched. Dogs that are breed to be vicous are useless and there is absolutely no need for those breeds. Maybe a good owner can minimize the risk of a violent breed attacking someone, but at the end of the day a dog will revert to its instincts if it is not controlled. When its instincts are to attack it will eventually attack.

Not washing my car every week doesn’t make it dangerous. If I leave my car sitting in my driveway unsupervised it will never attack and maim anyone. If this dog is left unsupervised it will bite someone.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 09:34

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Mixed with what?

ttyymmnn > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:35

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Call animal control and file a complaint. You can usually do so anonymously. They should come by and talk to the owner. If it keeps up, a fine should be in order. There’s no reason to put up with this. Do you have a leash law in your area? If you do, then that’s one more reason to call AC.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 09:37

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It wasn’t running wild, but it is strong enough that it almost got away from him and damn near pulled him over into the road. The other morning he was walking it on the road and it started to come after my car too, but it was far enough down the road that I was up to speed and it wasn’t such a threat.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Cash Rewards 05/01/2015 at 09:38

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There is a huge difference between labs and rottweilers. Labs are breed to be useful, rottweilers are breed to maim people.

Cash Rewards > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 09:43

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The double standard sucks, but it’s a large dog owner’s responsibility to make sure it’s super well behaved. Tiny dogs can get away with shit and it’s “oh, how cute”, where your Rotty would get put down. Little dog jumps up on old lady, no big deal. My 95lb-er does that and its a trip to the hospital when she knocks that old lady down. Sounds like you get it, and your Rotty sound like all I’ve met: huge adorable babies!

yamahog > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 05/01/2015 at 09:45

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He was a stray from a rescue, so your guess is as good as mine:

Even the full-blooded rotts, German Shepherds, and pitts I’ve known have been total mushes. I don’t socialize with shitty dog owners though.

Moves-Like-Senna > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:46

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Call the police or animal control. I’ve done it many times in the past.

Heck, I was cycling a couple weeks back and a guy had a chihuahua off leash that ran out. I hit it at 28MPH and the guy behind me hit it too. I flew into a barrier and ruined my race helmet (over 500$) and front wheel (1400$).

I called the police and animal control. They took the dog away to the vet, the owner is being charged and is now being sued by me and the other cyclist for damages to our bikes. In my province we can’t sue for physical damages which sucks considering I had concussion from the incident.

I'mJustOutbackXTing > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:47

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http://140.122.143.143/yuyinghs/yuyin…

I doubt you’ll even read the abstract of the article I posted. In short, you’re wrong, and your anger is coming off more as ignorance than anything else.

It’s completely understandable to not like dogs, especially if you’ve had encounters with aggressive dogs in the past. However, in your case your anger is misdirected towards the dog instead of at your neighbor.

Time and time again studies have proven the dogs breeds commonly stereotyped as aggressive and violent aren’t the demons the’re made out to be. If a dog has a shitty owner it will behave poorly. Similar to how if a kid has shitty parents they’ll probably grow up with some behavioral issues too.

You need to have a talk (not yell) with your neighbor, as an adult. Address the way he controls his pet, especially in reference to your concern about your son’s safety.

Threatening your neighbor or neighbor’s dog is not only immature, but also explicitly illegal. Your township/city has a proper legal channel for dealing with aggressive dogs. If it takes filling out a complaint or report (or two) then that’s what it takes.

Be upset the right way damnit, and not like a child who’s afraid of a big bad dog.

yamahog > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:48

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Sorry I wasn’t clear, the owner evidently has no control over their dog even when leashed, which constitutes “running wild” in my mind. Have you talked to them or animal control yet?

jariten1781 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:48

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Wait...it was leashed and the owner kept control of it? I’ll give that a big ol meh. It’d be actionable if the dog was running free and actually able to attack, but as someone who has rehabbed scores of aggressive dogs, getting them out there and training them with all the stimulus that comes from an unconstrained environment is part of the deal.

thebigbossyboss > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:49

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I am with you. I don’t like dogs.

CalzoneGolem > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:51

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Did the dog jump in your car to attack you or was he just excited and wanted to go for a ride?

crowmolly > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:52

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Looks like it’s already been said a lot, but the owner is a piece of shit.

I can say that as somebody who worked on a farm that took in abused dogs for a few years, and saw a bunch of different breeds come in with mixed up mental states.

yamahog > Cash Rewards 05/01/2015 at 09:52

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Yea, it’s bull but that’s how it goes. I’m paying almost more than I did for the dog for seven weeks of obedience training with professional handlers just to ensure that he will always listen to us no matter how distracting the surroundings are, because I know there is no leeway for him like there is for some Jack Russell or whatever.

Cash Rewards > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 09:55

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Historically, maybe, but very few breeders still hold to those sort of things. I know in Maryland and Virginia you can buy labs that are honest to god retrievers, comfortable around guns and trained to bring back game intact. The vast majority just look the part. So many other factors play into a dogs temperament. My dog is defensive around my wife and daughter and skittish around strangers. If she seems off, I don’t let people say hi to her. But they come running up because she’s a”friendly lab “. If she snaps, she’ll take a hand. All dogs are different, and your neighbors a shit head unless that’s the very first time that dogs done that.

Cash Rewards > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:04

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And to be clear, what all us dog owners are saying is that you have every right to feel safe, especially with your kids. But its the owners responsibility, not the dog’s. And animal control is a great option, as they should make the consequences clear to that owner.

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:09

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shut. The. FUCK. UP! Seriously, very few things I hate more than people who are assholes to or threaten to kill dogs. Oh boo boo that you’re so much of a pussy that a big bad dog scares you. It certainly doesn’t deserve to die because you piss yourself at the sign of fido. I am FUCKING SICK of people giving a certain stigma to high energy dogs. “Every one of them needs to die.” fucking SERIOUSLY?! Do you realize how much of a twat you sound like? Why should someone have to give up their best friend and companion because someone way down the road gets nervous around it? Dogs sense hostility, and you got nobody but yourself to blame if you get bit. Breed discrimination is fucked up, no better than racism. You don’t want to get so much hate? Don’t threaten to kill someone’s dog.

-Signed, the best friend of a very loving but excitable pitbull.

Converse > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:15

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Honestly, the owner needs to be involved when the violence goes down. This owner has no control of his dog.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 10:20

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Yeah, I have almost the opposite experience with them. They say dogs can smell fear—that could have something to do with it, even though it was more dislike than fear.

Destructive Tester > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:21

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You're not the only person who has had bad experiences with dogs, the difference is your insistence to paint all dogs with the same brush...My experiences happened to have been with German Shepherds when I was young in that I had a neighbor who kept two in a shitty pen. When they got out they'd try to attack everyone and everything including biting me once.

Now I happen to have two German Shepherds that I went out of my way to properly socialize and train because I was aware of their potential to inflict injury. The ability to recognize that potential and take appropriate action is one of the aspects of responsible dog ownership. All breeds of dog have teeth and the ability to bite, the difference is how much muscle and jaw leverage is behind those teeth.* If a small dog bites, someone is getting stitches; if a big dog bites, someone might lose fingers or have bones crushed.

*No, bully breeds (pits, rotties, etc.) cannot lock their jaws. Their jaws aren't long enough to give you enough leverage over their jaw muscles to pry their jaws apart unlike a longer muzzled dog, it works just like a teeter-totter...

In your case, the owner is irresponsible and wanted a Rottie with no regard for the responsibility that comes with it. A dog, regardless of its breed, will behave in a manner consistent with its training with very few exceptions (typically related to physical or psychological maladies).

Jayhawk Jake > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:22

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Dude...whoa

I get being mad at a shitty dog owner, but calling for genocide of two breeds? Don’t you think that’s a little extreme?

I might be more afraid of you than that dog...

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 10:26

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Larger breeds do need to have a firm, loving hand to make sure they stay well behaved.

Friends of mine have two Collie puppies (about a year old), and the easiest way to get them to settle down is pick them up.

You get the “Ooooooh I’m sorry” face from them, then.

Your boy, BJR > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/01/2015 at 10:29

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That's some fucking serial killer shit. You two make me sick.

Cash Rewards > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 10:32

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My dog used to play and roughhouse with a Doberman and the dog park, and people would come up to us concerned for her, even though they were comparably sized and it was just healthy play. The assumptions sometimes are unfortunate. Good luck with him!

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:39

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:s/rottweiler/sportscar.

Seriously. In my neighborhood, at the end of the street where I live, there are:

4 Chocolate Labs

2 mutts (mix unknown)

1 GSD puppy

The labs are big, but as long as you stand still, they won’t jump. The two mutts are scared of anything that moves suddenly, but love riding on golf carts. The GSD puppy is well-behaved for a puppy, and he’s due to be at training school shortly (I can get him to go into his crate without picking him up. The neighbors all say I have a way with dogs).

If you have a shitty owner, I don’t care what the dog is, it will not be well-behaved. A misbehaving dog is more of a reflection on the owner than the dog itself.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 10:42

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When the dog is contained and properly controlled on the owners property he can deal with the consequences when it mauls him or his loved ones. When it is a threat to me in a public venue, or when it becomes a threat to my family on my property my family will be protected. If I fear for the life or well being of myself or my family I am fully within my rights to defend myself with deadly force.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > ttyymmnn 05/01/2015 at 10:44

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The dog was on a leash. It is so strong that it damn near pulled the guy over in its attempt to get away from him and come after me.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > jariten1781 05/01/2015 at 10:45

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The dog was leashed but almost got away from the owner. It just about pulled the guy off his feet in its attempt to leap at my window.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > CalzoneGolem 05/01/2015 at 10:45

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Pretty sure it wanted to tear my face off.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Jayhawk Jake 05/01/2015 at 10:46

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Two breeds that have a long and storied history of mauling and killing people.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Nibby 05/01/2015 at 10:49

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That could be the most headache-inducing .gif I've ever seen.

WiscoProud > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:49

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I've owned a Rott in the past and she was a great dog. Sounds like this one is a piece of shit. Is it aggressive to other people, or just you? Not excusing it, but some dogs just don't like certain people.

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:52

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K I’ll let you know when my viscous, deadly pitbull snaps and.....

......oh

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 10:54

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SO SCARY AND DEADLY!

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > WiscoProud 05/01/2015 at 10:55

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It’s only lunged towards me when I’ve been near it in a car. I assume if it is lunging aggressively towards my car it is probably lunging at other people and their cars. The guy lives 1/2 mile away, so it’s not like it’s right next door.

TheBaron2112 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 05/01/2015 at 10:56

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My experience is literally the opposite. Great rottweilers in my experience, pits, not so much.

TheBaron2112 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:00

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Dogs that are bred to be vicious ARE useless. But here’s the thing... PEOPLE breed them. And if people didn’t breed them TO BE vicious, they wouldn’t be.

My point with the analogy was that it’s all in how the owner treats the thing that they own.

WiscoProud > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:02

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Weird. Hope it doesn't progress. Any angry rott can be a terrifying thing.

Nibby > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 05/01/2015 at 11:04

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Trust me, it is not. Don’t get me started.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 11:07

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Yep, pretty sure the dog leaping aggressively at my car and snarling at me just wants to lick my face. Maybe I should roll my window down and see what he wants.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Nibby 05/01/2015 at 11:11

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Actually now that I look at it again it's not that bad. Apparently my computer was originally playing it at 3 times the speed.

On another note, why am I not surprised you have more annoying ones at your disposal? Lol

Jayhawk Jake > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:12

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And an equally long history of being sweet and loving family members.

Humans kill a lot more people than dogs, maybe we should all kill ourselves to stop the damage

handyjoe > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:19

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We should include all species that have a long and storied history of mauling and killing people then.

Like people.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Jayhawk Jake 05/01/2015 at 11:25

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Tell you what. When you have a 3 year old who loves playing outside and you have to worry about him getting mauled because your neighbor has an asshole dog get back to me. The Finnlet weighs 30 pounds. This dog almost pulled a 6’4” guy off his feet trying to get my car. If it goes after my son it will kill my son. Think about having the thing you love most in the world killed because your neighbor has an asshole dog. You won’t be nearly as open minded then, trust me. When you legitimately worry about someone you love more than yourself dying because of an asshole dog you will have a completely different viewpoint.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > handyjoe 05/01/2015 at 11:27

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See my reply to Jayhawk. When you have to worry about more than yourself it greatly changes your perspective and you will not be so understanding about asshole dogs.

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:33

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That's catastrophic thinking. Jumping to the worst possible conclusion because of a fear.

Eberle-Hills-Cop > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:37

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Sports cars are built to break speed limits. See how this equation works? Reconsider painting with such a wide brush.

Jayhawk Jake > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:38

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Okay, but does that justify calling for the death of ALL Rotweillers and Pitbulls?

Look, I get it, you feel threatened by his dog. And you’ll protect your kid if you need to, and that’s ok. But saying you’ll go and hunt the dog down and murder it while its owner watches, or scheming ways to kill it with other commenters, or calling for the elimination of entire breeds of dogs is a bit extreme. Actually, it's frighteningly extreme. I'm just saying maybe you should tone it down a little.

Your boy, BJR > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 05/01/2015 at 11:40

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Lol same with my pittie. When she gets into one of her pit fit moods I pick her up like a baby and she just gets all “why u do dis? I stop.”

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 11:40

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When I was young I was bitten by a dog. It was the most terrifying event in my life. Dogs have proven to me that they are unpredictable and dangerous. If they keep their distance I’m fine, but if they are behaving aggressively I have learned that they are going to attack. A dog that is strong enough to yank around a full sized adult will kill my son if it attacks him. Losing a child is the single greatest thing that you fear as a parent.

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 11:46

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Oh boo fucking hoo. You MIGHT have had some sympathy from me if you hadn’t threatened for the elimination of my best friend, but since you did, man up, sit on a cactus, eat a dick. You act like you’re the only one to ever been attacked? I got attacked by a boxer once, but y’know what? It’s the owner and the dogs training, not the breed. No dog is born thinking “kill all humans!” That’s asinine.

Besides, Rottweilers and Pitties aren’t even the most aggressive towards humans breed. The top 2 go to daschounds and chihuahuas.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Jayhawk Jake 05/01/2015 at 11:48

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I was not scheming ways to kill it with other commenters. Someone did make a comment regarding poisoning it and I clearly said no.

I didn’t mean to say that I would hunt the dog down, but I can see how my comments could be interpreted that way. The incident frankly still has me upset and it happened six hours ago. When something threatens the safety of your own kid you tend to overreact. Add in the fact that when venting things tend to get blown out of proportion and it was probably a poor choice to vent in a public forum.

Eberle-Hills-Cop > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 11:50

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I was attacked by a doberman as a child (8 years) because children are shitty and dumb and I got too close to it’s puppies. I continued to have dogs as I grew up, and currently have two Huskies (OMG WOLF DOG KILL IT BEFORE IT EATS MY BABIES)

I’ve also crashed cars before, and I still buy and drive them. Get over yourself.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 12:04

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There is a huge difference between a 30 pound kid getting attacked by a rottweiler and a chihuahua. I hope you realize how ridiculous that is. A rottweiler puts him in the ICU or the morgue, a chihuahua gets him a trip to the ER for some shots and stitches.

Rottweilers and several other large dogs have a stigma. Many of these breeds have been breed for their aggressiveness and many are trained to be aggressive. If you happen to have one that has less aggressive tendencies and hasn’t been trained to be aggressive, good for you.

We clearly differ on whether these breeds deserve the stigma that they have received. We have clearly had very different experiences with dogs. I really do hope you continue to have good experiences with dogs. Because of my past experience I will continue to minimize my exposure to dogs, and when I perceive one to be a threat to my family when I am on my own property I will react accordingly.

Your boy, BJR > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 12:44

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By getting on the Internet and saying you'll kill it?

Jazzy > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 12:53

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I have a few cents to add on this topic.

1. Your post above was really uncalled for. Look we get that the “big bad Rottweiler” scared you. That does not mean you take to the internet call for the death of all “vicious” dogs who get a bad reputation. The responsibility lies with the owner of the dog to realize the behavior is unacceptable. He could probably learn something from this article posted yesterday: http://adequateman.deadspin.com/how-to-get-a-g… . Now judging by your description of the event, the owner seems to be the one at fault, but not all the responsibility is on him. Which brings us to our second point.

2. Probably an unpopular opinion but: Not all the responsibility lies with the owner... You have a certain amount of responsibility as well. Your assumption that dogs are “unpredictable and dangerous” is very misguided, in fact they are very predictable. Their body language speaks volumes. It is also the responsibility of a non-dog owner to learn how to properly approach a dog. Thats the biggest pet-peeve of mine. I own a 70+lb Aussie/Husky mix. I get kids all the time that have never met him, that will run up and try pet him without asking thinking they will be safe. I know he would never bite because he has been properly trained and has a really good temperament with kids. But when someone/something foreign approaches a dog, they will all get defensive... Its threatening to them because it is an unfamiliar situation. As a kid your experience getting bit was probably because you did not realize those signs. Hell, when I was a kid, I approached every dog wrong... This knowledge starts with you. If you want your child to be safe, YOU need to teach them properly and take precautions as well. Try looking at it from an animals point of view. Would you like it if some random stranger decided to start petting you and getting in your face? Probably not, cause it would make you uncomfortable/nervous or defensive and you would most likely attack them too. And for my last point.

3. I know it has been said before that not all dogs are vicious, owner training. etc..... All dog breeds have been made for a purpose. Rottweilers and the majority of large dogs were all bred for working. Rottweiler’s were specifically used for herding and protection of cattle. Pit Bulls (or the American Bulldog) were primarily used for the same reasons above. They were also excellent hunting dogs. The main reason everyone gets larger dogs or the “vicious” breeds now-a-days is the intimidation factor. Yes they look vicious. But they truly are big ole softies. Again see owner responsibility. If the dog was bred to be vicious do you think we would be able to train them at all? let alone have them as pets? They would attack their owners as well. Hence why you don’t see anyone walking down the street with coyotes or wolves.

Hopefully this gives you a different perspective. I’m not one to try to instigate a pissing war online. But being a biologist and having dabbled in the Animal Sciences/Animal Behavior, I felt to try and at least inform you of the other perspectives.

Good luck with the issues, and try to look at it differently before you call for the death of all dog breeds

handyjoe > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 13:08

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I do have to worry about more than myself. As an owner of one of these “vicious” dogs, it is absolutely my responsibility to consider other people and how my dog interacts with them. I’m sorry your neighbor is a terrible person, who does not take that responsibility.

So no, I’m not willing to accept your proclamation that it’s because I’m selfish that I “am not understanding”. I am willing to accept that maybe your neighbor has a bad dog, because they do in fact exist. But I will not stand for someone calling for the death of one of my family members because someone else has a bad dog.

handyjoe > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 13:11

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“when I perceive one to be a threat to my family when I am on my own property I will react accordingly.” I will absolutely give you this. If someone cannot control their dog and it ends up on my property, it had better be a nice dog or it’s getting put down.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Jazzy 05/01/2015 at 14:21

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Thanks for taking the time to respond and shed some light on animal behavior from the scientific side. I have a few things to add/respond to your points.

1. I have no control over the owner or how he trains his dog. I only have to deal with the consequences if his dog harms me or my family. That I am at risk for his dogs actions with no means of taking preventative action is unacceptable. Having a full sized rottweiler lunge at me was a scary experience even when protected in my vehicle. That this happened literally across from my driveway means I could be in danger just from getting my mail or bringing my garbage to the curb which I find unacceptable. To speak so condescendingly because I have a legitimate concern for my safety and the safety of my family while on my own property is pretty poor on your part. As a biologist you should recognize that this type of situation will bring about a fight or flight response and my post reflects that. Because of the physiological response brought on by a potentially harmful situation my post was written in a heightened state of emotion.

2. I have been scared of large dogs my entire life. My grandfather used to have German shepherds and they were all nuts. Because of this I was conditioned from an infant to be afraid of large dogs. When I got bit I had just stepped out of a vehicle. A large German shepherd came up to me and I promptly cowered towards my mother while being told by the owner “it’s a nice dog, it would never bite anyone”. Immediately after that we left to bring me to the hospital for stitches on my face. I did not run up to the dog, I attempted to avoid the dog. Based on past experience I have learned that dogs are unpredictable and even calm, nice dogs that “would never bite anyone” will bite people even when unprovoked.

3. OK, these dogs were bred to work. Their job was to herd and protect cattle. To accomplish this some breeds were bred for their aggressiveness. They do not have the cognitive ability to critically think about when to be aggressive and when not to be aggressive. As a person I have the cognitive ability to recognize that dogs will be unpredictable in how they channel their aggressiveness.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > yamahog 05/01/2015 at 15:13

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Shitty dog owners are generally shitty people.

BigBlock440 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 15:24

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Not that I don’t agree with the sentiment, but when you say :

If I had been bringing my garbage out and the fucking asshole dog leaped at me like that I would have pulled a gun on it and shot the fucking piece of shit asshole dog right in front of the guy.

Does that mean you carry a gun to take your garbage out?

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 15:32

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Rotties are a reflection of the owner, I have only seen gentle Rotties myself, but then I’m also in Canada so... :)

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 15:36

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Rotties are actually bred as work dogs, not attack dogs.

Tohru > TheBaron2112 05/01/2015 at 15:38

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Exactly, the dog’s owner needs to be shot too.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 15:40

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As someone who was bit by multiple dogs when I was little, It’s all on the owners. my (small) dogs love people and won’t bite.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > BigBlock440 05/01/2015 at 15:42

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I have guns in my house and have a CPL. I can and sometimes do carry. At work dogs have walked into our building and growled at me and I am often there alone after everyone else leaves. I also live in a rural area and have had coyotes in my yard.

DrScientist > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 15:44

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you got nobody but yourself to blame if you get bit.

i’m not one for exterminating all dogs, or even all dogs of a certain breed. but you’re not quite right here.

DrScientist > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 15:46

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i’m no lawyer, but i believe “almost” doesn’t cut it in a court of law.

if the dog did jump on your car and scratch or leave a mark, that is probably some type of vandalism or destruction of property.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. 05/01/2015 at 15:48

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Pretty much looked like this and almost pulled the owner off his feet lunging at my car.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Your boy, BJR 05/01/2015 at 15:52

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Chihuahuas are vicious, man... I’ll take a pit bull over a chihuahua any day.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > DrScientist 05/01/2015 at 15:52

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I have a CPL. As part of the training we learned at what point we are allowed to use deadly force to protect ourselves. If you fear for your life or safety or the life or safety of others you are legally justified to use deadly force to protect yourself and others. The test is if an average person would fear for their life or safety. Had I been on foot and the dog lunged at me I would have feared for my life and if I was carrying a pistol it would have been drawn at that point as an average person would clearly fear for their safety if a mature rottweiler was lunging at them and the owner appeared that they may not be able to maintain control of the leash.

DrScientist > Jazzy 05/01/2015 at 15:57

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Not all the responsibility lies with the owner... You have a certain amount of responsibility as well.

mentioned this on another post. i’m not sure this is the case. i dont believe our constitution, when calling for “justice” “tranquility” “general welfare” etc had animals in mind.

you do qualify your statement with...

It is also the responsibility of a non-dog owner to learn how to properly approach a dog.

and i agree. but this may be the only situation in which the non-owner has responsibility. and to me it did not sound as if the original poster had any intent or motion or any movement toward the dog.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > handyjoe 05/01/2015 at 16:01

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Unless you have your own child who is dependent on you for everything you have no idea what it is to worry about someone else. You may consider others safety, but unless you have your own child you have no idea how much a parent is concerned for their safety.

DrScientist > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 16:03

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agree with that sentiment. i believe i was thinking more about potential action in the current situation. as in... i don’t believe you would be able to bring significant action leading to the dog being destroyed because he lunged and “almost” got away from the owner.

if the dog did get away, you did not have your weapon, and were bitten, then i believe yes, the dog would likely be counting its last hours.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 16:35

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Again that is due to lack of training, and he also should have a choke-chain on if he’s not able to handle the dogs strength. Judging from you past experiences I think getting in touch with a dog training place so you can socialize with friendly dogs and learn how to act around them might be a good idea. I’m sure you could find someplace that would be more than happy to let you just hang out.

yamahog > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 16:43

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Actually, incorrect .

The Rottweiler /  r  t w a l r / is a medium/large size breed of domestic dog . [1] The dogs were known as “ Rottweil butchers ’ dogs” ( German : Rottweiler Metzgerhund) because they were used to herd livestock and pull carts laden with butchered meat and other products to market. [1]

I understand you have a personal bias against these dogs, but at least get your facts straight. On another note, myself, my mother, and sisters have all been attacked by men, yet somehow I have no desire to call for the extermination of every single man on earth.

handyjoe > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 16:55

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Thank you, Mr. Internet man, for reminding me that I am wrong, and have absolutely no empathy for other humans.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > handyjoe 05/01/2015 at 17:00

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There is an infinite gulf between empathy for humans and love for your own child. I don't want to see any harm befall you, and I would feel bad if something happened to you. I WILL protect my child at all costs, even to the point of giving my life for him.

jariten1781 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/01/2015 at 17:03

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I totally get that you were afraid and why you were afraid, I just think you’re being a fatalist. If you had ever seen that dog escape via lunging I’m with ya. If the owner is just a bit weak and always stumbles when it happens he/she’s still maintaining control and I’d be cautious, but not angry or fearful. If the dog ever gets free and causes havoc then send it to the chamber and tell the guys to get a hamster next time.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > jariten1781 05/01/2015 at 17:11

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The guy is 6’4” ish and played college basketball. The dog was strong enough that it almost got away from him. If it catches him off guard it could easily get away. If the dog gets free and causes havoc with my kid it would likely result in the death of my child. What good does killing the dog do at that point?

pip bip - choose Corrour > Your boy, BJR 05/02/2015 at 07:07

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no , i don’t trust dogs.

agressive breeds should be destroyed.

Your boy, BJR > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/02/2015 at 10:50

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You should be destroyed you sick fuck. I DARE you to come after my “aggressive breed”. See how good that is for your health.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Your boy, BJR 05/02/2015 at 18:53

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i’d be happy to , except that i’m too far away.

Your boy, BJR > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/02/2015 at 19:14

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.....well then Doc Ben is gonna have to prescribe a double dose of shotgun suppository.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Your boy, BJR 05/02/2015 at 19:23

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ROFLMAO!